frillyfacefins replied to your post:
(Love, the Russians teach us that if you are TRULY cold, tea won’t help. Wodka will. Or anything else as long as it has over 40% alcohol)
Pfaahhahahaaha, I’d definitely not feel cold then. I’d probably be in… uhm… in the land of dreams with a killer hangover looming on the horizon. :P (No, seriously, I have about zero alcohol tolerance; a glass of wine iwith dinner is enough to make me a bit tipsy.) Ich wette, bei euch ist es nicht so kalt, bäh. XD ♥
I don’t even have a sense of humor anymore it’s literally just sarcasm and general loathing for the majority of the human population.
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The theme is athlstan’s third one, though I think it’s not currently available anymore. If you’d like to snag it, I guess your best bit would be contacting the maker directly, though they have some lovely ones even so. :) And, oh, the sidebar picture is based on Tolkien’s own depiction of Lothlórien in Spring.
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I’ve said before that you’re a sweetheart, but I’ll not stop saying it. *hugs back and offers a cuppa in return* ^^
heartofoshun replied to your post: I suspect the “apologetics and woobifications”…
Is this a post that one cannot reblog and respond to?
Respond to, yes (as you just did ;)) - but published asks are not rebloggable, no. You’re free to link back to the ask and quote if there’s a point you’d like to take up (Lyra gave her ok as well).
lintamande replied to your post: As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard…
I think people end up feeling uncomfortable about how much they like them, and then it’s easy to slide into rationalizing on their behalf.
Pretty much the point that Lyra made in the ask just below, I think - and yes, I definitely agree that that’s the case a lot of times, though not every time.
Yes, I agree that that is a contributing factor in a lot of cases - especially in cases of racism and sexism, but that’s a rant for another day and that everyone’s heard from me ad nauseam.
I also think that there may be the contributing factor of a huge amount of sympathy - not necessarily in terms of liking problematic aspects, just liking aspects (read: the Fëanorians) who also happen to be problematic, and not wanting them to have such messed-up storylines attached, rather than avoiding a potential negative reflection upon oneself. This bit is making me wonder about focus on the original work vs. headcanon, but that, also, is a different discussion, and ultimately people are allowed to enjoy things as they like, so I’ll just bite my tongue here.
almare replied to your post: As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard…
IMO having an evil god actively trying to fuck up your life is a fairly good mitigating circumstance… (for feanor) though a lot of my op comes from my opinions on religion in real life so it’s complicated.
Mitigating circumstance, oh yes. Complicated, definitely. And Fëanor decidedly didn’t read very sane to me (it’s not called the marring of Fëanor for nothing, and it’s not called evil for nothing), but I also tend to balk at the idea that that abdicates all responsibility - especially for his sons. And (since this was the point of the post I was referencing and I didn’t repeat it), whatever mitigating influence there was, the Fëanorians came out narratively in later tradition… looking as they did in the Silm, if we’re looking at the Silm = Red Book idea. No need to woobify them.
havisham replied to your post: As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard…
Nope, it really isn’t. I like them because they’re incredibly flawed and make terrible decisions. That doesn’t stop them from being tragic and even sympathetic at times.
chilliberry replied to your post: As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard…
Yes, this. I think when people make them too morally black and white (whichever side they are on) they miss out on the most interesting sides of their various characters.
idleleaves replied to your post: As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard…
AMEN. It’s the shades of grey that make them interesting - not the flattening of all of their facets into black-and-white.
squirrelwrangler replied to your post: As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard…
My favorite of them is the one that’s the most blatently jerkish to people. And I like villianous and very dark gray/black characters (Maeglin). Just the 7 = little for me.
independence1776 replied to your post: As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard…
This, 100%. Ignoring complexity just to make them more palatable to write about/like doesn’t make a bit of sense. You can like characters without having to like or approve of everything they did, and it aggravates me that people don’t get that.
I think these are all very much trending in the same direction, and I’m kind of glad that this is a consensus that exists. Pointing out flaws that do exist narratively and contributed to the narrative/cultural depiction doesn’t mean the characters can’t be likeable or sympathetic or complex, but placing the blame on everyone else in order to… absolve or explain away their deeds (I think)… just strikes me as very odd and borderline victim-blamey.
As much as I love the Fëanorians, what’s so hard about acknowleding they did some horrendous things and made a lot of very bad decisions?
Apologetics and woobification of the same… does not compute. They are poor sods for certain, but they’re poor sods because they messed up entirely and thoroughly in trying to do what they considered right and things generally were horrible and complicated even when they did some genuinely good and noble deeds. You know, as human as people get to be in the Silmarillion. They are not poor sods because they were poor, misunderstood, innocent babies.
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